In Oslo, Christian Willoch and his team at Ruter are using autonomous vehicles to strengthen public transport – not compete with it.

I visit their pilot project, where real passengers are already riding Ruter-branded autonomous vehicles in an outer suburb, and we talk about why public service, not robotaxis, is the future.

I also take a ride – and you can listen in as I give a live commentary from the back seat.

What is the future of public transport?

Bernt Reitan Jenssen should know: he's busy creating it.

As Chief Executive of Ruter, the transport authority for Norwegian capital Oslo, he's leading an agency with a powerful future vision and a remarkable track record - including complete decarbonisation of the transport network.